Does anyone ride the hammer down on their gun with a LIVE ROUND in the chamber? The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. i doubt that israelis whose primary weapon is a pistol actually use israeli carry. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? However, that also creates issues. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. I turn it into the five gun question instead. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. I have kids, but they have been taught that if it can go bang assume it will if the trigger is touched. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. No thanks. Am I being silly? I doubt it. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. its full screen with proper sound and everything. Yes. That was back in the 1970s somewhere. Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! I got them after watching the best experts I know of, champions, and their green light review. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? You are not going to change my mind. We have lots more on the site to show you. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. so the theory still stands, if you dont want a negligent discharge, dont be negligent. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. So Move. Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? Big Bill: First, mad would need to learn what punctuation is for. I am pretty tired of people telling me how to handle my weapons. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. My G19 pull is about 4-1/2# about the same as a lot of 1911 guns. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. The internal Safe Action System will not allow the pistol to go off accidentally. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. Every time I drive. I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. U.S. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. -John Muir. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. Actually, I only did that for about ten minutes before retreating to a men's room, unchambering the round, and putting the gun back in its holster with a full mag but empty chamber. To chamber or not to chamber? I carry a LC9, no problem. You've only seen one page. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. I once owned 12 of them. I used to carry a Walther PPQ. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. So the trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if its dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isnt a direct firing pull.Best practice is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. They are all single-action guns even if the marketing guys play games saying they are 1.5-action or whatever. He thinks. This is why. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Many revolvers also changed; whereas the firing pin was once integrated with the hammer . Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . I want something that goes bang when I pull the trigger, and I could care less how heavy or gritty that might be. . A loaded GLOCK, some of the comments went, is susceptible to the dreaded GLOCK ND (negligent discharge). In the 1930's, W.E. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. "The mountains are calling and I must go." Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. Dani: More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Come on, Gov, you know better than that. Carry chambered ever since. Mr Hoober, If you werent too busy arrogantly doubling down, you might consider trying it some time instead of pretending you know everything but I suppose you are probably more interested in getting audience engagement than giving good advice. Didnt check that the gun was clear. Training is nothing more than repetition. Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. There are more and complicated details about the Israeli attitude (prohibition) of self-defense, but the point is that the Israeli system may work for the IDF, but not for you. Make that line above into: a solution in search of a problem. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? I've never been to the range with you and I know . Despite its . A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. like i said Have you ever negligently ran a red light? Carried chambered until the kids came. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. It's offered in a wide range of cartridges, from .22LR to the .357 Magnum. Run what you brung. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. 2 you may forget to chamber Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. Absolutely YES!! Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. . Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. If one wishes to carry sans a round in the chamber. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. There we go. Am I being silly? Sound off in the comments! I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? Ho Hum, Well written Thats not a very fresh idea. The G44 is the ideal pistol to start or enhance your shooting experience. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. As stated above, Glocks are safe. Or a musket? I think it's more about . And you should be, too. And make sure when you holster or unholster that the holster is clear of obstructions. Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. Of course, I do concede you point, it just that it brought Monty Python to mind and I improvised from there. The fix was to add a safety. Congratulations. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. Discharge during take down? The Last Word. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. Why would anyone want only one of something? From someone that ignorant, nothing he says or does would surprise me. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Yes. True dat. Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. Are you my mother? A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. Because it has no external safety that means you are only 5 lbs away from making the gun fire. Some of the biggest mistakes happen when training at sex. This is a particularly great idea. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. As for kids, had 3 daughters, all knew all weapons were loaded, all were shooting bb guns by 5, learned safety and marksmanship, and by ten, the oldest could out shoot me with the Smith 9mm semi, steel. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. Prices accurate at time of writing. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. I dont know who else to contact. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. I tease my friends when I can see their chamber indicator, I listened to guys who had been there.. See? I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. the first two rules of safe gun handling are Dont touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy. These are: 1. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Fairbairn and E.A. Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . For myself I carry an HK P30sk with the double action hammer in the down position and the manual safety on. always, just got the g23 and after the range it'll be in the rotation with the sigs. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity.. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. Especially in a stressful situation. Well, its nice to know Im negligible. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. How often do you train your driving abilities?. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. The finger does not go in the trigger guard until Im ready to fire. After a few years of working on them self-taught, I finally . First a 5906, then a PPK/S for 20 years. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. . Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? There is no doubt about it. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. Let the flaming begin, No flame. All I get is replies that they are working on it. Its your right to self defense. Barrel: 4.5. In order to fire, the pin needs to be hit hard enough to continue forward, past the point of contact with the hammer, and then into the primer. It appears to me that Darwin and his theory of evolution is again being ignored, if you are dumb enough to carry without forethought, please ace yourself before you breed. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. Thats OK with me. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. It can also affect the speed at which the weapon fires. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. As the saying goes, you do you. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Maybe I counted wrong? This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. Agreement. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Some militaries wanted to normalize carrying a pistol or rifle with a loaded chamber for obvious reasons, but they ran into some of these same issues on old guns. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. No, but itll do the job in almost all instances. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. When suddenly a rabbit rushes out of the brush, I sometimes forget to switch off the safety. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? When the time comes that you actually need your carry weapon things are going to happen really fast. I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). Have you ever failed to yield the right of way when making a left turn? JavaScript is disabled. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. I have a Sig DA/SA, fully loaded no problem. . Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. Yeah, me too. They didnt know. What you are overlooking is the odds. A Glock is a reputable brand name of pistols, and the weight of the trigger pull can mean the difference in between a firearm firing and not shooting. Maybe you just fumble finger the Glock when its out of the holster being put in a lockbox or on the counter at the range. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. and yes i train and rehearse that Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon.*. I hope r.i.p is on your tombstone if you fail in a confrontation. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. Note the flat(ish) hammer. you are correct. Then I chambered a round. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. But my Glock has an empty chamber. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. Sacrilegious. No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. Do u carry an AR all day too? First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. 1. I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. Have you ever negligently turned down the wrong way of a one way street? Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. Which, of course, is why its better to keep your self-defense gun be it a concealed carry pistol or home defense gun or whatever with a round in the chamber. Not much difference really. And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Every day. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. @ mark s: +1 here. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. Your family is worth it. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). In reality, the 1911 with only the grip safety would be as safe or safer than the Glock. Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. Colt change the SAA!? This pistol gained [] After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. In fact, Ill prove it. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. Correct. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you.

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