I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. And Christians should stop giving their money to these abusive churches. I am a big fan of Friedman. ", Later, while Newman workedat one of Kanakuk's overnight camps, Dygert visited him on the job. X-rated church! Because to a performer, his/her appearance and looks are a valuable job asset, part of their on-stage/on-camera presence. So long as it was just those awful Catholic Papists and their anti-Christ in his pointy hat, they (protestant fundagelicals) were as smug and confident as Joshua encircling Jericho. After the formal Eucharist the unused wine can either be consumed by the priest and the lay eucharistic ministers or else it can be poured down a special drain directly into the earth, the idea being that consecrated wine is the blood of Christ and he already poured out his blood on the ground at calvary. He was in the temple courts, he was disrupting the precursors to worship, which included trading the evil Roman money for holy temple money so people could buy sacrificial animals. +++++++++++++++++++. Its been around for a while. And she looked at me (at the birthday dinner). Its at the point if you dont want your kid molested/raped, you have to become a Done. Lol! I agree that PP and a whole bunch of the bunch are primarily politicians. You have to pay to file, you have to pay for discovery, to take depositions, to arrange for witnesses at the trial if it gets that far, etc., etc. Bridget wrote: . I once saw my manipulator younger brother spend FIFTEEN YEARS on a Long Con of personal revenge against our stepmother. For the fundamentalist the evil world is what one builds an ark for themselves and their family to avoid when judgment comes. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. There has to be SOME concept of personal responsibility for decision-making, for actions taken . There is no more blatant picture of filth than one who would victimize and seek to corrupt innocent, vulnerable children. IT is truly mind boggling. Then I read the story. My wife came home early from church last week, apparently the sermon was quite graphic about appropriate sex between a man & a woman. It was completed right before he was elected POTUS. Dislike Share. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKAfXdb5LsA. Drove out the Communists and got the Taliban. But as I moved to Texas in my 20s, I havent been there since. And this inappropriate behavior didnt raise any red flags for them? Yes!! But the tale it told of how the lawyers for the Boston Archdiocese were basically abusing the victims again has stuck with me all these years. I have to say, I know predators can be found anywhere, but I do feel like the non-comp churches are safer. Christians tend to be trusting and gullible people and they are easy for deceivers to groom. '", He added, "Now, looking back, I know no grown man should be hanging out with a little kid like that.". Did CJ Mahaney in calling any discussion on molestations, gossip and preaching the doctrine of sin leveling? Sola scriptura. You were never taught soul competency which would necessitate those things? ", Hoffpauir characterized this line of thinking as "just kind of a toxic purity culture. Please pray for a successful surgery, rides, and help from others. So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. Its been around for a while. Yes, it looks like they went too far toward the OTHER extreme, resulting in creating an opening for the neo-Cal movement. It was supposed to be a place that showed him Godd love. I probably mostly agree, but I still think the issue is one of the heart of these supposed leaders and until that changes, we will make no headway. I say all of this, not to excuse those that turned a blind eye, but to provide some shading to what is easily drawn as a black and white picture several years later. We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. Thank you for the detailed information. @ ishy: So you need both. I think its a healthy barrier against abuse. The promise to be an elder is not going to be be fulfilled in most cases. I know highly trained auditors (including in my family) and they arent licensed. He captures the issues that we all talk about. Not a place that showed him perversion. Survivors and ex-employees say the camp didn't do enough. I went to California with him. Everything to do with Kanakuk is spelled with a "k" which is a Kanakuk thing. The college said, ok. We dont want it. Was it okay because there was adult supervision, and they were all boys together? Knowing right from wrong and standing with innocent victims not protecting evil. I was far and away the youngest person in most crowds at 45. They need to be got out of positions where they can knowingly expose innocents to harm. Never did send any of my kids there. @ BeenThereDoneThat: Because you are an important part of the Kanakuk family, we wanted to make you aware that earlier today, the Taney County Missouri prosecutor filed a four-count criminal complaint against our former employee, Pete Newman. It read: The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silent before Him. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. I know who you are referring to and no, I dont believe he converted. They also tend to avoid thinking about or looking at troubling things (see no evil-hear no evil-speak no evil). For the evangelical the evil world is the enemy/ opposition to be conquered. Hes in the cesspool himself. On that first night of abuse, Dygert said Newman told him, "'This would be one of the best bonding things we could do.' What can we be as believers but strong advocates against this heinous evil? We are talking about something that cannot just be repented of but something that is the persons very identity- who they are. http://www.vachss.com/. And isnt there ongoing lawsuits? Eagle has written a number of excellent articles at his blog. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. The letter-writers called Kanakuk's reporteduse of NDAs one of many "intimidation tactics" thecamp uses to stifle allegations of sexual assault and protect its reputation. Newman had other suggestions that same night, Dygert said: Dunking a basketball naked from a gymnastics board, for example. That shouldnt happen. It is really weird to hear missionaries speaking in tongues labeled as liberal. A reporter attempted calls to four phone numbers linked to Staples in public records databases. Just like we discuss here about TGC and T4G. "Pretty much any chance I could get, I was trying to hang out with him," Dygert said. They lost over seventy missionaries at that time. I would be spending time talking with them and seeking to ascertain if anything like this had happened to them or kids they know. I found out a year or two ago that my best friend from my childhood was sexually abused by our pastor. It just gets worse and worse. Im going to disagree with you on that. First: I have never commented but I read this blog frequently. No girls allowed. Do you think this one is simple good ole boy network/nepotism? There was something that felt off about it so I stopped going there. Now let me drop this other reality into the conversation. When I received the phone call in 09 from a mutual friend about what Pete had done, I was in total shock. He said he refuses to sue the body of Christ but bring the Watchtower on. But Pete Newman's guilty plea, according to lawyer David French and his wife Nancy, who wrote about the Kanakuk cases for The Dispatch, is "the tip of a terrible iceberg. Im not providing a link because its obvious that Kamp Kanakuk did a lousy, horrible job of stopping abuse and is now trying to avoid the very real consequences of Joe Whites decisionmaking with regards to Peter Newman. I love that. Heres a David Hayward cartoon in honor of Cecil the Lion killed by a dentist in Africa. There always has been a small percentage that are good and a larger percentage that are not. In an effort to be completely honest, Dee got sucked into the hype for this camp and two of our children spent a few summers there. There can be no excuse, no rationalization, no mitigating factors. I dont know. Yeah, Jesus did say that. You can listen to the audio of my friends story at the link below. Sheesh, adults are hard pressed. @ Refugee: They promote Jesus, not their own brand. I just saw an interesting video demonstrating this. Only not in the way the person expects, they use it to perfect their craft. This is apples and oranges. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead mens bones and all kinds of filth.. The use of the word sin in terms of this pedophile doesnt go far enough. We have more options on the prevention side than we do in fixing the heart, so it makes sense to concentrate there. Alas, however; you are very unlikely to ever see Dolly herself there. It occurred to me that if he ever represented what he thinks are body of Christ victims, he would not get a lot of front end business and that is a win for him and his many church/para church clients who have money. These dudes are hired hands and dont care about the Lords flock. Joe White was reportedly made aware of the situation and decided tokeephim on staff. Fundamentalism has a very different feel compared to evangelicalism. The following is the alleged timeline as best as our informant can remember. Survivors and ex-employees say the camp didn't do enough. Neither GRACE nor MinistrySafe brings lawsuits against churches. I honestly think GRACE has good intentions. Not that it matters, but we went to Silver Dollar City some half a century ago and before the whole Branson thing got to be what it apparently is now. A female doctor who had been a member of the church for 35 years. Skepticism is another of the deadly sins in the authoritarian church. Its public record, and that pastor needs to get famous. So this isn't sexual. As a chid I was awed by the idea that God might actually be there. Fits right in. ", Dygert added that his mother thought "she was upfront with Pete and protective, and she thought that's why nothing had ever happened to me. Add to that the kids have not only been molested but have gone through a psychological brain washing and twisting with undeveloped brains. Such is life sometimes. Until I read Joel Gregorys book and started blogging I had no idea he spent most of the post CR years one step gap head of the firing ax but always landing on his feet. They were what we consider pests and threats. One reason is that those positions are often filled right at the beginning. I mean, this kind of thing is intentionally guarded against in secular settings with children. Not those who are actual victims from church cover up. I thought that was interesting. Haw! And the bible does not have answers to every single question or conflict that comes ones way, obviously. It is also probably best I do not write what I think of these "christian leaders".. More generally, I use to think America was sue-crazy. He has no problem taking money from the Church for his own pockets when training them, just not when it comes to getting money for actual victim?? On Feb 4., a separateanonymous plaintiff sued Newman for the same amount of money. Because as you know, football scholarships are more important than a teenage girl. Those who have evil to hide are very, very good at hiding it. And the name Branson, MO sounds vaguely familiar. And this inappropriate behavior didnt raise any red flags for them? Newman reportedly hadnaked conversations with campersand engaged in mutual masturbation and"hot tub Bible studies" with boys, as the News-Leader reported during his 2009 trial. I think this is promising. These churches believe they are beyond reproach. I would be spending time talking with them and seeking to ascertain if anything like this had happened to them or kids they know. . As an old socialist (FDR style) who also believes in free dialogue, I like to be in the know about the ideas of those who dont believe as I believe. Disagreeing on method is all it is with me. if NOT, I have to ask what IS the deal??? He also went onfather-son retreats with Newman. He had to practice church discipline on a 35 year member Dr. Nan Hawkes and drive her from the congregation. I wont argue that there are some self-serving lawyers and judges. Pattersons group threw out some critically-needed controls on their own power when they attacked (or allowed attack on) diversity and soul competency, I think. Do their liveried flunkies blow long trumpets before them to announce how HUMBLE they are? Much different that the early days of Silver Dollar City, and Shepherd of the Hills and other things.We would also go over to Arkansas to see the Thorncrown Chapel, which was beautiful, when I was younger. Joe Alarcon along with his wife, Brandi, and . @ BeenThereDoneThat: So, then we participate in receiving the Eucharist. kind of like one of the jobs of a celebrity is to look like they are having the time of their life (or anyones life). Her family has 1 foot in and 1 foot out of their long time church that has gone Neo Cal. Its a town. He also hung out with Newman "just in town." But for Jesus it did have to do with that temple/ that building in Jerusalem and what he said was My house shall be called a house of prayer. They were rich. An anonymous "John Doe" plaintiff who says he suffered sex abusewhile he attended a Christian youth camp based near Branson recentlysued a former counselorfor civil damages. @ Lea: But maybe I missed it. It was more exhausting to drive them places and to hunt for activities in the first place, but I was cautious about overnight camps, especially very large ones. Peter Newman and Camp Kanakuk . His conscience is mans most secret core and his sanctuary. Bad press maybe. Why do people keep supporting such places? Brians comment up thread and the various responses to it have greatly reinforced the old adage of the wolf in sheeps clothing. Sure enough, Okrapod. In time, the Good Lord will administer justice with a wisdom higher than we would be able to accomplish within our human understanding. I couldnt afford to go to Kanakuk even if I wanted to. Instead, he feels called to raise awareness of sexual abuse in the church and help equip it. We believe that a valid receiving of the Eucharist can be done with merely the bread or the wine or with both the bread and wine, preference being both. You ARE the Church. Fingers in the ears, la la la la la la If I dont know, I dont have to deal with it. But how does God meet with them there when He has said Be still, and know that I am God ? I am at a loss when it comes to people in institutions looking the other way. It has no bearing on the mans crime and guilt!! Thats a verse Joel Olsteen uses repeatedly! During the late Cold War, wasnt the KGB term for such types Useful Idiots? It only stopped, Hoffpauir said, when he and Madison began seriously dating. No More Victims, whose organizers have not been made public, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, White. I am aware. I know looking by my mother watched people, and kept me away from ones she had doubts about. Thats why the lawsuits were filed. Camp officials reportedly rub elbows with powerful people, and have done so for a long time: In "Pure Excitement," a "righteous" guide to sex, love and dating for teenagers first published in 1996 by camp owner Joe White, White tells ofhis friendship with "an heir to the Coors brewery throne," Shane Coors. yes, it came to me in a flash of brilliance that was a lot like the beginning of a migraine . Now THATS a Baptist college to be proud of! Thank you. And didnt your last article explain that Bryan Loritts himself was found out to be a voyeur in the womens bathroom? The more education, the better. Many here have referred to it as the long con. Sounds like they were victims of their pride, They might benefit from learning an old Orthodox saying from eastern Christianity: I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. And theres not even the psychological cost of these kinds of cases. I looked up this camp, and they are acting like nothing happened! And Predators have the JUICIEST testimonies! Im curious. Just remember the side effect like Muslims after 9/11, Christians will circle the wagons against PERSECUTION!!!!! We need to call it what it is: stealing a life for selfish perverted sexual gratification. It is nothing new, it has been around since the early days of the first church. Judge Orr retired to his chambers to decide Newman's fate for a little over 40 minutes, when he came back and delivered the verdicts it seemed that both side were a little stunned. Its such a thick environment. The next year, we started going to dallas instead , time to stop trusting in these clowns who preach that they KNOW who is saved or who is a real Christian. He added that Newman "already established in my brain that this masturbation stuff was not wrong, because I wasn't lusting. Hard to tell whos who and who did what with so many of these clowns milling around scratching each others backs. This modified form of ignorance is found in people who, if confronted with certain truths realize that they have to accept them and thereby acknowledge evil, and that scares them. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. Im afraid I do not give a pass for any adult who knew about this activity and blew it off. I dont remember having seen any of this in the news at the time. It doesnt surprise me to hear this. I guess it comes down to, what did Bryan Loritts know and when did he know it? Hoffpauir, now 34, recalledthat during the phone call, Newmantold him, "Things are getting crazy. He said he refuses to sue the body of Christ but bring the Watchtower on. The real problem is people want to be led instead of self govern. Close your wallet and leave through the exit. It is led by false teachers and false prophets (or profits.) It is practically impossible and they know it. Makes me sick! He saw Newman as a "very popular guy," well-liked, a "powerful, motivated, enthusiastic speaker," a "superstar.". And if not dealt with properly their credibility ruined forever. We all are. Ive posted the video here a few times of Greg Loves talk at DTS. So did the Apostle Paul. The 501(d) has since dissolved. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. He may be hired for the training aspect. While we are grateful that we were able to assist law enforcement in the prosecution and conviction of Pete Newman over a decade ago, we also know that victims pain often continues long after the perpetrator is imprisoned. Churches "Stop knocking yourselves out to distance yourself and let the buck fall at your feet where it belongs.". Sandy kicked the issue over to Richard Rieves. It ended up being a way to pay out lower settlements and/or avoid responsibility in law suits. I have yet to hear anyone else lay out how inadequate most churchs policies are for protecting kids, and why. The only caveat was that part of the reason you make sure you are giving the right kid to the right person has to do with things like custody disputes where the father (or mother) who doesnt have custody will kidnap the child. She's just, she's trying to figure it out. What was ever wrong with trusting in Jesus Christ ? Babylon-5. Lydia, didnt the doctrine of soul competency take a hit when Patterson put the 2000 BF&M changes into play? IMO, I think most churches will be more receptive to a program billed as Christian to help educate them on how to prevent abuse. I think youd like how tough he is on sexual predators and how he gets it. I dont care if your a man or woman. Hoffpauir and Dygert said they are now choosing to make their stories widely public through the news and social media in order to help other survivors and to seek accountability. Here is another example: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/01/widespread-abuse-uncovered-during-investigation-into-rhode-island-boarding-school.html. and use THEIR money to help THEIR victims, which is a kind of justice, although there isnt enough money on the planet to undo all the damage these men have done. Its one of the things that bothers me about GRACE that I have mentioned before. This movement really appeals to men with mental issues and control issues, and I believe they go after young men who still havent studied the Bible much for themselves. The first time former Kanakuk camp director Pete Newman was reported for being nude with kids was in 1999 the same year he became a full-time employee at the Branson-based Christian athletic . Perhaps Im just used to Christian lawyers who dont offer some services based on their convictions. Some people never have to confront it. Velour wrote: Our SBC church (the men, actually, because they are the only ones allowed to speak) was up in arms over that. . And they seem to have friends in the local law enforcement that will cover for them too. I think this leaning on leaders is contingent on an absence of education and training in the working of God-given moral conscience as a part of Christian formation. They know what persona will put them beyond being doubted or questioned. And the real issue is this: If Mark Driscoll had made any effort at a real amends to the people he harmed, like Paul Petry and his wife Jonna, their children, and others for the firings, excommunications, and shunningsand all of the other lies and abusesyou wouldnt be out there. Is there a shortage of lawyers who will sue on behalf of victims? I suppose that is the effect that Mohlers Calvinism (TULIP) has on his thinking (Total Depravity) ??? The church oversaw several businesses run by members, including a building contractor. -Newman invited the plaintiff to a conference in Oklahoma where he tried to get the boy to engage in sodomy, was turned down, and finally convinced him to engage in a mutual masturbation session. Ive read so many cases in the news now, Id be paranoid to take my kids to church or have them involved in any Christian stuff. Thats why they have to take over churches instead of planting new ones. 18:6), In response, Kanakuk filed their own motion in opposition to the amended petition. Sandy kicked the issue over to Richard Rieves. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). If it werent so ludicrous it would almost be funny. -This post is focusing on Peter Newman due to his relationship with Fellowship Memphis. Donald Trump. I suppose that assumes that they were. According to the statement, nothing short of active participation in a positively wrongful act causing intended injury to the prejudice of the complaining party, will give rise to individual liability. It cannot be discerned by externals so much (as the theology it claims to hold, or denomination it belongs to) as it is discerned by what it actually produces over time. How about your local church? They get to do the wrong or unfair things with no consequences. The kid had been throwing up the entire afternoon and was left alone in the room. The fact that GRACE got run off by that one missionary org makes me think they were actually doing a good job investigating. Pete Newman was a master of deception - fooling not only Kanakuk but also his friends, neighbors, and even his own family. Opening up and letting the truth in might knock them off their perceived center. And it sends a message. Newman was a long time employeeof the camp but, under his family man, jovial, Christian exterior, there lived a monster. Due to previous friendships and employment, there was supposedly aconnection between Fellowship Memphis and some of the folks at Kanakuk. I work in a Christian preschool and just sat through Ministry Safe ( required by the church) and a state mandated sexual abuse recognition workshop. Education the parishioners that sometimes your pastor is not your friend, does not care about your children? NO what was done was painstakingly planned, patiently executed, and is ugly and disturbing beyond belief. Lea wrote: I didn't talk to anyone. No wonder he got so angry. and He has allowed human persons to be able to use reason, as one of His gifts to us. In all my years as a baptist I never, that would be never, heard any emphasis on conscience per se-other than what was taught me at home that one cannot trust the conscience since it was in a fallen state. ", Another federal suit filed in Dallas claims camper was sexually abused over seven years at summer camp Kanakuk, The new suit says Newman developed a deeper and more trusting relationship with the boy, identified only as John Doe III, by phoning him directly at his home in Texas, by emailing him at his home in Texas, and by sending cards and letters to John Doe III at his home in Texas. The suit alleges this was part of Newmans grooming process and led John Doe III to more completely trust and believe. The head honchos at any place that does that, Joe White, John Bryson, Bryan Loritts .. Would that even work? I feel that some people have a hard time with the truths around us, not only the sexual abuse by priests, but all bad things. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. You are performing an invaluable public service. Billy is good on clothes and I almost have all his supplies. What on earth is going on in christian land these days? A while back, there was a male counselor who allowed his cabin of boys to horse around in the cabin while naked. Coming forward and trusting others to write your story is difficult. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. Maybe The Slick Deceiver hits a little too close to home for the MenaGAWD? Some people have to face it very young. Even some small towns. Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. @ BeenThereDoneThat: Im with you and so are scores of others. I cant come up with anything that makes sense. The day the camp director found out, both counselors from that cabin were told to pack their bags and leave, and all of the parents of kids in the cabin were informed. So it kind of depends on what the issue is which type of investigation is required. hey, Im just bettern you to be such a Big Man and admit it with tears in my eyes while the music just started getting softly played by the song leader, that music likes they play in the movies where someone dies tragically. and diversity sure did take a hit when the missionaries who spoke in tongues were sadly targeted. I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. If White had not read any of this easily available information, then he had not business being in the business of camp.. I have never been in a hyper authoritarian church, but let me contribute this to the conversation. There always has been a small percentage that are good and a larger percentage that are not. They want to have heroes. ), How can those of us with Jobs and Lives and other things than 24/7/365 Self-Promotion compete with that? The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. Maybe we should really rethink that idea. One of my college sons chose to spend this summer working at a huge Christian summer camp in NW ArkansasI was not impressed with a number of things, one of which is that camp staff didnt inform some of the girls counsellors that they had been assigned a cabin of troubled girls. HUG, I am sorry that happened. Schools and other public agencies used this training material as well. Both of those things can be effective and I am fond of anything that is affective. (Notably, former KanakukcounselorLee Bradberrywas convictedof second-degree statutory sodomy, sexual misconduct and two counts of child molestation for abusing three underage male campers in 2011. Great. A genuine person will never be invested in making you think theyre so wonderful. Note in that article the comment that there has been criticism of Mullins view as possibly undermining baptist theology and biblical doctrine.

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