He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. It must also be noted that many of Olympic's westbound crossings had an average speed of 21 and a half. Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Titanic's speed was investigated by Mark Chirnside and Samuel Halpern in their article entitled "Speed and More Speed" from which the following information is taken. But for arguments sake let's take the larger of the two - the certified capacity number of both passengers and crew. The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck In 1910, IMMs net profit was a mighty $4,849,580, They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). It was also carrying no passengers, at a time when due to the coal strike and so many ships confined to port there would be plenty of people eager to pay above the cost in cash to get to Boston. Further volumes of poetry included Out of Danger (1994), which won the Whitbread Book Award (now the Costa Book Award); Selected Poems (2006), a Penguin anthology of his work; and Yellow Tulips: Poems 19682011 (2012), an even broader survey containing previously uncollected verse. 14. Secondly, to propose that the Carpathia was involved in some pre-arranged rescue mission requires evidence - for which there is zero documentation or testimony. form near me in the afternoon and had questioned the library steward how he should declare his patent) said, "Well, I am accustomed to estimating distances and I put it at This is one of several undocumented, unreferenced claims. Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit the boats were returned to England and reused, however boat no.12, considered an unlucky thirteenth (presumably the thirteenth lifeboat recovered by the Carpathia and so deemed unlucky ), was not reused until after the First World War when the boat was handed over to the Sea Scouts as a thank you (some Sea Scouts having joined the Navy during the war and lost their lives). In fact both Olympic and Titanic were launched with 14 portholes on the port side forecastle on C-Deck and 15 portholes on the starboard side of the same area. There were closer ships that would be more feasible. The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. Titanic's split as portrayed in James Cameron's 1997 "Titanic" film. And that there were not binoculars on the Titanic? The bulkheads were not actually sealed at the top, this oversight allowed water to flow over, filling each compartment, one at a time. In this photograph we see Captain Smith and First officer Murdoch on Olympic's bridge and clearly see a curved wheelhouse behind them. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 1949) grew up in Lincolnshire and Staffordshire and was educated at Repton and Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the prestigious Newdigate Prize for his sonnet sequence 'Our Western Furniture'. 6. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). Visit Fenton's special Poetry Archive webpage and listen to recordings of him reading the poems 'Wind', 'Blood and Lead', 'Jerusalem', and 'In Paris with You'. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? Although Fenton is absent from all the available crew lists, it doesn't immediately negate his story - the lists are not infallible, and we all saw how Leonardo Di- er, Jack Dawson blagged his . But also there would be no need to. But also it must be noted that there were tours of According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." Irish. (Click image to see full photograph). According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" It seems those intent on proving a 'switch' have mistaken the missing bridge enclosure, the rectangular gap in the forward bulwark (painted white) for the wheelhouse. Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. Proportionally less than Titanic!" (Click to enlarge). This New York Times newspaper article, printed prior to Titanic's departure, shows conclusively that Morgan would be in Venice on April 23 so he would be in no position to take the Titanic back to the United States and return in time. About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. Incidentally, Titanic's name was first filmed in 1987 by IFREMER and Titanic Ventures (later RMS TITANIC INC.) after they cleaned that part of the bow from rust. April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. But what do the 'experts' think? The boats were left until December 1912 in New York. something else, in this case an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. that when the crew joined Titanic there was [sic] rumours that the company One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would However, this is not unusual, even for modern ships, and can be due to several factors. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. The origin of this seems to have come from Paddy the pig, also known as James Fenton, who later in life related the following: When the instead of a promenade as on Olympic's B deck, two private verandahs and suites were added to Titanic, hence necessitating a change in the B deck window configurations. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. 43. Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. In 1967 he enrolled at Magdalen College, Oxford, initially intending to study English but later switching to psychology, philosophy, and physiology. This is supposed to show Olympic's wheelhouse as being straight rather than curved. The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. Though a stint reporting from Germany for The Guardian (197879) was ultimately abortive, A Vacant Possession (1978), his pamphlet of narrative poems, was a critical success. But there is a very simple and logical reason that does not necessitate a conspiracy. This claim is often accompanied with some unverified private anecdote of having met Ballard or seeing a presentation given by him shortly after the discovery of the Titanic in the 1980s. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? (Click to enlarge). - Leading Fireman Charles Hendrickson (British Inquiry, Day 5). Toggle navigation. Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). After studying at the Chorister School in Durham, where he performed with the cathedrals renowned choir, he attended the Repton School and the British Institute of Florence. It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). The story come from Frank Finch, a retired seaman living in New South Wales, Australia, who wrote a letter to Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike, 27. ", Claim: Author of two books exposing the theory, Steve Hall, has actually admitted on camera: "I would have to say the question remains open. It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. Survivor Lawrence Beesley wrote about men in the smoking room sighting the iceberg in his book, "The Loss of the SS Titanic": "One of them had seen through the windows an iceberg go by towering above the decks. Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. - Lookout Reginald Lee at the British Inquiry (Day 4) ice " fall inboard. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). would have remained in surplus. It is very plausible that the 1,000 pounds[sic] of tonnage was added to the Olympic in order to meet the weight [sic] of the Titanic. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets exploded and caused the fatal damage. Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship Could it be 44. The panelling used shows a number on the frame that says 401. This is demonstrably false information. The Olympic, like the Titanic, was fitted originally with the same 14-porthole arrangement on the port side of her focsle, but 2 additional portholes were later fitted; they were there in March 1912. Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed Hence it is Olympic, not Titanic. But this is not due to it being the Olympic. 2nd-class: 200 This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. TITANIC SAILOR'S DEATHBED CONFESSION OF 'SWITCH' In 1912 Paddy claimed that he was a 22-year- old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. We have been told by the look-out people that there were binoculars on the Olympic? We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. between eighty and ninety feet.". Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. To confirm this Parks Stephenson visited B-52 with James Cameron on a later mission in 2001 and described the room as still retaining "several of its fittings. Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. It was only when she collided with an iceberg in a freak set of circumstances that she was suddenly thrust back into the media spotlight. Without this, such an allegation can simply be filed under 'hearsay. Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. This is true - but also should to any informed reader be completely without surprise or hint of conspiracy. damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. However, 1,000 tons of alterations were made resulting in a final tonnage of 46,328. It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. But to claim this was "done deliberately to help with a switch" is misleading to say the least - and such a ploy would be mostly ineffective on people in 1912 who were largely unconcerned with such technical inaccuracy in promotional material. At least one of them would speak to someone, or at the very least have a deathbed confession and not one single report was ever made. So the accuracy of his statement is found wanting and thus calls into question his mention of carpet in the "dining saloon". Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was And how much ice would be on rigging anyway? (Click to enlarge). Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the bivalve shell layers 2020-11-29 23:19 . in the Government. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. 3. Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains further: "Ismay's sitting room was explored by James Cameron during his 2001 dives. Not to mention that the name Titanic was first filmed on the wreck in 1987 and it certainly does not look But this should not misconstrued as anything unusual, but common practice for a company which suddenly comes under media scrutiny and wants to maintain and was the first national strike by coal miners in Britain, with the main goal securing a minimum wage. Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike 48. We need to know which accounts precisely are being referred to here. boilers were on. And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. Compare the two videos below -one is the real footage of the Titanic name on the wreck, one is fake. The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. His experiences there provided fodder for the poems in Manila Envelope (1989). Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. It is clearly in a different area. It is, however, agreed that crew returning to England were under instructions to give evidence at the Board of Trade Inquiry and not to talk to the media beforehand. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg Firstly Titanic was not a "steel double-hulled vessel". Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic This photograph of Titanic leaving Belfast on her way to begin sea trials allegedly reveals discoloured plating in the same location where Olympic had damage after its collision with HMS Hawke. As Titanic had a private promenade behind it the fireplace was moved to the "forward" wall this can be also seen on photographs taken by the press on board Titanic on April 10th 1912 a few hours before her departure and also today in the wreck.". 8. And they were not the only ones. Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. The switch theory primarily rests on the alleged premise that the sinking was a deliberate act to recover insurance money, to rescue the White Star Line from bankruptcy. Then there's the furniture: so heavy you could hardly lift it. When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard, answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.". The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. She worked up to 80. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. Also, fragments of linoleum have been recovered from the wreck, further proving this to be more likely than carpet. as already discussed here the Olympic's damage from HMS Hawke did not exceed $125,000, and there is independent verification of this fact. While there is some slight confusion over which ship he is referring to "coming from Belfast to Southampton" there is certainly no evidence here of trying to conceal the identity of the two ships. 11. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. They were metal plates which were screwed on. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. )", By December 1911, Titanic was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. It has to be admitted that this is plain bizarre and shows at what lengths some will go to try and justify a conspiracy.

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